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Angry 06 YFZ450 Water in oil! Please help!

I just bought an 06 YFZ450. Ran great. Took it home and serviced. Drained oil and it was milky with antifreez in it! Called guy and he said he just had all gaskets replaced and new clutch. Took it to mechanic friend of mine and he pulled the top end apart. Found divits in the piston and head. looks like the engine lost a rod at one point and only parts were replace that had to be. Installed new top end and all gaskets. Still is getting water in oil. Replace O-ring in clutch assy and cover gasket. Still is getting water in oil! He is at a loss in what to check next. Everything is tight and no external leaks anywhere. Lots of power. One other thing is bothering me, at high revs getting a little of water puking out the water bottle over flow tube? Dont know if this has anything to do with it. Is it possible that the water pump is going bad? Would that have anything to do with water getting in the oil? Any suggestions on what to look at next would be appreciated. Thanks!
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sounds like you need to get the head resurfaced cause your gaskets are not sealing properly

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it could be the inner seal for the water pump but like manny530 said it might need the head resurfaced.
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All you need to do is change the inner and outer waterpump seals as well as the impeller shaft (35 bucks)... Very common problem with these, dont feel bad i forgot about it too.. sorry you tore it down.

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Clutch123 - Where is the water pump located? How hard is this to do?
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nope nope nope... I'd be willing to guarantee you have a blown head gasket. It sounds nothing like a water pump issue. You have 2 MAJOR signs of a blown head gasket, heres why..
#1 Having a coolant/oil mixture is a pretty obvious indicator that it is blown especially if you have replaced the other seals. The surface of the head to cylinder has to be spot on to seal 100%. This is why its crutial to mill and true your head prior to reassembly. You most likely have a high or low spot which is causing it to blow and allow pressure into your coolant system.... #2 hence the coolant spewing out your overflow tube.

Id be willing to bet that the previous guy didn't true the head which is why you quickly encountered this problem.

If you had a water pump issue and those seals where bad you would be leaking coolant out the weep hole which is by the water pump housing.. right side case by your foot.

You need to pull the head off again.. unfortunately and mill the head. I'd also have your cylinder tested to make sure it isn't out of round.

A little while ago my head gasket blew.... coolant was spewing out the rear tube from excessive cylinder pressure entering the water jackets. Milled the head, put an O-ring groove in my cylinder for added durability.. Problem solved!

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Thanks for all the input. I already ordered the new water pump seals and impellor shaft so I will throw those in and give it a whirl. At least I know if that doesnt solve the problem then I will have to tear it down again and revisit the head and cylinder.
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Thanks for all the input. I already ordered the new water pump seals and impellor shaft so I will throw those in and give it a whirl. At least I know if that doesnt solve the problem then I will have to tear it down again and revisit the head and cylinder.

I hate to be the devil here and say it but that is not going to solve your problem. Save yourself the time because that is a completely separate issue. Leaking coolant out the overflow bottle is strictly caused by a blown head gasket. What happens is you get a leak through the gasket due to an uneven surface which allows cylinder pressure... especially at high rpms to push into the water jackets of the cylinder. This creates a lot of pressure internally which then pushes the coolant out the rear because it has no where else to go.
Trust us dude... save yourself the time and effort here of replacing your water pump seals. you NEED to pull your head off and have it machined.


The water pump issue is this... On your right side you have the water pump housing which has the shaft, impeller, seals..etc. Underneath is a hole..called a weep hole. Some just have a hole, some have a 1/4" tube that runs to the rear off of this location. It is at the base of your frame by your right foot when standing on the quad. That is where you will leak coolant if your water pump seals are bad. NOT by the overflow bottle.

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I hate to be the devil here and say it but that is not going to solve your problem. Save yourself the time because that is a completely separate issue. Leaking coolant out the overflow bottle is strictly caused by a blown head gasket. What happens is you get a leak through the gasket due to an uneven surface which allows cylinder pressure... especially at high rpms to push into the water jackets of the cylinder. This creates a lot of pressure internally which then pushes the coolant out the rear because it has no where else to go.
Trust us dude... save yourself the time and effort here of replacing your water pump seals. you NEED to pull your head off and have it machined.


The water pump issue is this... On your right side you have the water pump housing which has the shaft, impeller, seals..etc. Underneath is a hole..called a weep hole. Some just have a hole, some have a 1/4" tube that runs to the rear off of this location. It is at the base of your frame by your right foot when standing on the quad. That is where you will leak coolant if your water pump seals are bad. NOT by the overflow bottle.

I am attempting to save you the biggest hassle and a LOT of time.
x2, its a head-head gasket issue, save yourself some trouble pull it apart now, dont change the water pump seals and run it to see if it fixes it it wont, and the coolant goin in the motor is doin a number on it

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pbsandman7 is right on the money It's not the pump seal's. Combustion pressures in the cooling system= head gasket.
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pbsandman7 is right on the money It's not the pump seal's. Combustion pressures in the cooling system= head gasket.
pbsandman7 is right??? i told him this a whole day earlier than him lol like others have said dont waste your time with the water pump cause its not your problem but might as well change the seals since u already bought them dont we all wish it could be the simple fixes instead of the complicated ones

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pbsandman7 is right??? i told him this a whole day earlier than him lol like others have said dont waste your time with the water pump cause its not your problem but might as well change the seals since u already bought them dont we all wish it could be the simple fixes instead of the complicated ones

LOL... Yup you did specify it first. You should have elaborated a little more because it looks like he didn't believe you.. haha. You were the only one who specified it, which is why I jumped in to elaborate on the subject as to how this happens. For what ever reason people started specifying a water pump issue which is why I said... nope nope nope.. etc etc. you have other problems!

Unfortunately this isn't a "quick" fix but should definately cure the problem at hand.

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LOL sorry Manny530 no need to hostile you were right


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LOL... Yup you did specify it first. You should have elaborated a little more because it looks like he didn't believe you.. haha. You were the only one who specified it, which is why I jumped in to elaborate on the subject as to how this happens. For what ever reason people started specifying a water pump issue which is why I said... nope nope nope.. etc etc. you have other problems!

Unfortunately this isn't a "quick" fix but should definately cure the problem at hand.
lol yeah not big on explaining things in detail u did a good job in explaining it for him very nicly done

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LOL sorry Manny530 no need to hostile you were right
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