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[quadracersyfz]

Originally Posted by mixxer

not sure what your deal is, but when sparks retired from racing , he had all sorts of people and shops doing work for him while he started learning racing engine building...

sparks has played the big mysterious man behind the curtain thing for years... no specs offered on anything.... take camshafts for instance... he has sold oem cams from dirt bikes as special sparks race cams for quads for years... true, even had someone ask them , saying they had an 02 crf cam in their machine now, would their cam be any advantage?? the answer was "absolutely" ...the cam was purchased...and guess what?? the cam came in a sparks box... but it was exactly an 02 oem crf cam...

so selling someone a cam they already have... which amounted to an oem cam in a sparks box with a sparks sticker... must seem like a stand up kind of guy to you...

that's why no detailed specs are given...ever...on anything...

it's either believe and pay, or don't....

just one example....

so spare me your :
"my own personal buddy who builds stuff for me that others cant buy, has told me... blah ..blah.. blah"

i know better ... and so do lots of people....

Why do you change the subject from exhaust to cams? Stay on subject, does anyone do it right in your eyes? If you ever have been in business with employees you would know that you are only as good as those that work for you and Sparks has had his share of issues as does any other business with employees.

My problem with you is that you throw someone under the bus that is a legend in this sport, who do you respect? Making accusations that I know for a fact are not true. I have set back for years watching your BS on the internet without getting involved, but when you attack someone like Sparks with false information who has contributed more to this sport than most ever will, I take offense to that. I'm not a 20 year old kid that is easily impressed by your technical discussions or you 5 digit medical salary. Some of us are self made with honesty, integrity, and 8 digit salary's that could care less what's coming out of your mouth or how you prostitute your garage business by PMs to those that don't know any better. You attack other shops that make their living doing what you claim to be your hobby if they don't support your vision. It's time you realize that not everyone is a open target for you to take pop shots at on the internet. Heck, Sparks was around before the internet was even invented, he built his business the old fashion way with dedication, hard work, and integrity. Has he made mistakes, every business does at some point or another, but I know the man and know that he would not intentionally practice poor business ethics nor does he visit these forums to defends himself, so if you have a problem with him or me pick up the phone and handle it like a man. I know that's not your style, it's not as showy as the internet.

As far as our bikes go, our HP numbers are just that, ours, and are never even printed. The dyno is a tuning tool, not a bragging one. Our trophies, championships, and national records over the years speak for themselves. I don't have to post graphs for people to know how fast our bikes are, they know, we have proved it all across the country.

[pbsandman7]

^^^^^clapclapclap VERY VERY VERY well said.

[rednbluerider]

Originally Posted by mixxer

and speaking of all the people who dont have any facts about the BS they spew daily.....

where are all your dyno graphs??

lol

post them if you arent embarrassed about them.... or sit on them and heep beating your chests in keyboard warrior fashion.... you guys should all form a big circle and jerk your egos at the same time... "you're great... no, you're great....you are fast...but you are sooooo powerful" .... :)

So where are all you're graphs of 60+ hp bikes. There's a reason why your old shop buddies and supporters don't run your junk anymore...You fell off John, not because of your inability to produce a number, but because you're a dick and you only get along with people if they continue to agree with your thoughts and practices, but the second they deviate from YOUR plan they become the enemy.

You slam countless shops and builders for their work, yet you're the only one who cares about it. If people wanted to know the truth they would do the needed research before they spent their hard earned money...and lets be honest no one has benefited from peoples lack of knowledge more then you have...Its clear you don't provide the best service but you do sell an inferior product and the price reflexes that. You question other shops integrity, yet you alone have had an open donation to fund a dyno, you alone faked going out of business to generate more business, you alone blasted the yfz guys on the ORG and slammed honda guys here, you alone faked your wife having cancer...wtf is wrong with you, you're sick, even went as far as making up a story of adultery and lies to make a more profitable business...then you say you do this as a hobby, because your job pays x amount, if you don't need the money you have strange way of showing it. You have no room to talk about someones ethics, and selling practices...

I dont share information, and I do it by choice not because I have nothing to share. All the development, research, parts and even dyno time; I paid for them so why would I hand it out freely to some people who don't even support me...I guess that's where we're different. This is my job not a hobby and Im good at it.

As far as "chest beating" you invented the term because that's all you've ever done since I came on the scene back in 04, same ol John, same ol ill informed followers. Sadly not so many people support you now, primarily because they all either seen through your bs or died off from the sites...all you can do now is try and rally new troops, the mods ain't behind you, the sites ain't behind you...Get off your high horse old fella; you're going to die a very old and miserable man

[nvyfzfan]

Great post redandblue. Mixxy just slams everyone else if they don't agree with him. He is a hack and always will be. All the newbs on this site love until they get crushed in a race. Then they switch to a better shop.

[badzr2]

Ftmfw

[spidy]

[mixxer]

boy oh boy... you guys sure showed me... i'm totally owned now... dominated actually....

circle jerks for all the winners...!!

lol


still.... not many high dollar big builds showing any dyno graphs.... cant show what you dont have.... so start all the yelping and whining to distract from the facts that you guys spend small fortunes ...and dont really get the power you want everyone to believe....

[turd427]

Originally Posted by mixxer

boy oh boy... you guys sure showed me... i'm totally owned now... dominated actually....

circle jerks for all the winners...!!

lol


still.... not many high dollar big builds showing any dyno graphs.... cant show what you dont have.... so start all the yelping and whining to distract from the facts that you guys spend small fortunes ...and dont really get the power you want everyone to believe....

Aren't you "yelping and whining" to distract from the fact that you were wrong?


And on a side note, it looks like Eric's and Jordans 480s are making around the same numbers, I think they must be sharing secrets during pillow time..........

[pbsandman7]

Yo quiero taco bell..

[SeniorTaco]

Turd, how many inches did you remove from your dasa.....

[turd427]

I can't remember if I had coffee this morning and you expect me to remember that? I would say 4-5 inches. I could go measure my cans (I have 3 dasa's right now) and let you know.

[SeniorTaco]

Thanks. I know it helps, but for me its more for it not looking like there a rocket launcher sticking out the back of my bike.

[rednbluerider]

Originally Posted by seniortech

Thanks. I know it helps, but for me its more for it not looking like there a rocket launcher sticking out the back of my bike.

Gotta make up the hp you lost with the porting somewhere...

[spidy]

Originally Posted by mixxer

boy oh boy... you guys sure showed me... i'm totally owned now... dominated actually....

circle jerks for all the winners...!!

lol


still.... not many high dollar big builds showing any dyno graphs.... cant show what you dont have.... so start all the yelping and whining to distract from the facts that you guys spend small fortunes ...and dont really get the power you want everyone to believe....

wheres your graphs and bikes that made over 60?

[YFZ450~BENCE]

60 or close enough to it shouldnt be a huge deal especially if someones got extra cash.
the bb and stroker alone on a decent setup ive seen gain easily more than 5 hp from just bolt ons. that would make 53 hit atleast 58....and im sure the extra $$ can squeee out more depending how far the person feels like going. some of the already good setups on one of the dynos in this thread gained 7 plus just bolt ons. someone making 65 paid much more than a cheaper reliable build that makes just under 60.... so there both good builds but id take one that doesnt blow up right after its built

[YFZ450~BENCE]

i wouldnt feel cooler having 2000+ more into a setup that makes more. it better make more or its scam lol

[funyun]

[nayers_05]

Heres my build 470,cp13:25:1,Webb cams, fci, dasa Mmad 010, Sredrum 42.5 carb ran it at Sredrums made 60 on mrx01 didn't do any jetting jut tested the fuel an 57 on 110.

[dylan199]

Originally Posted by seniortech

Thanks. I know it helps, but for me its more for it not looking like there a rocket launcher sticking out the back of my bike.

you win the 1st place prize for the most gay sig pic i have ever seen.

[pbsandman7]

Very nice graph nayers. Good power indeed for a 470.

Bence, you do have a decent baseline to a potentially valid point but I wouldn't state that every build out there will work "better" by just adding bigger bolt ons. GOOD builds are specifically built for certain mods that go hand and hand together. Just throwing a bigger carb, or a big ported head doesn't always work. That's why some smaller builds with perfectly matched parts for one another will actually make more power than builds that are significally "larger".

You have stated this before and I'm not sure where you get your facts from but large builds can be very reliable IF put together properly of course. There are some very reliable 500 to even 585 motors out there.... not sure why you think otherwise but I'm sure that's somethin' your dad told you.